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Tuesday, January 3, 2012
Milwaukie TC Misses the Memo!
Apparently they didn't get the memo from Erik! These are BUS STOPS with MAX-style AMENITIES!
... and yet, I'm sure he'll still find something....................
14 comments:
Anonymous
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Those are more like downtown transit mall bus stops
Actually on closer inspection I will point out a few flaws:
1. Schedule information is not what is typically found at a Transit Center (the full schedule with a large map). Instead, the abbreviated, worthless, too-small map, is provided and the basic route description that only says the days of service and whether it's "rush hour" or "Frequent Service" with no further information.
2. The bench is outside of the shelter. Seriously???
Of course this doesn't account for my dislike of this shelter, supposedly designed so that it wouldn't block the view of sidewalk businesses on the Transit Mall but not only does it fail at that (and at the bus stops I use, there ARE no sidewalk businesses, but a MAX stop that was located at my old bus stop still has the MUCH LARGER 1990s-era glass shelters that are far more functional), there is absolutely no wind protection so there's no protection against a wind-rain mix (unlike the original 1970s-era shelters) - which, also had much more seating inside the shelter.)
The arrangement of those vertical glass panels takes up way too much space and reduces the amount of people that can stand underneath the glass roof. The point of the shelter is to keep people dry - what good is it when you obstruct the space with worthless...I don't even know what you would call those things. It's not decorative, it's not functional... It looks like there's a whole ONE seat under the shelter, so someone who needs to sit down is stuck in the rain. If you need to look at route information, you have to look at the information board outside of the shelter.
So, yes, I will comment on my dislike of this shelter design. It's not at all functional - just like the ones downtown aren't. The bus platform at 6th and Montgomery (excuse me, MAX platform) is a design that worked well (except for the absolutely stupid positioning of the Transit Tracker sign at the end of the roof rather than within the platform). The angled roof provides some wind protection; there is little within the shelter to obstruct the standing area, and it provides a free view of sidewalk businesses. And it offers the benefit of reduced maintenance expense (unlike the '70s era curved glass roofs) - but those shelters had amenities that weren't replicated, such as the lighted information signs that gave much more information about the Mall and routes than the new signs do.
0) This isn't one bus stop. It's two bus stops that are serve 16 routes.
1) I don't know what you're talking about, there is a display that has real time arrival information.
2) The bench is part of the sidewalk, not the bus stop. There is additional seating under the shelter.
3) And I was right again -- "... and yet, I'm sure he'll still find something to whine about."
Al edited that out from my original post. It amazes me Al that you edit my post which tells the truth (Erik whines), yet you don't edit out the bogus information Erik posts.
That's funny. I recall it was Max whose first words to Erik were a slew of personal attacks and rants the first time they met on the 84 line. What an awesome way to greet someone you meet for the first time.
Maybe, just MAYBE, someone would get a little peeved that the only words and encounters with someone were 100% negative. Just a thought.
As for me, I enjoy much of what Erik says and he is NOT wrong. TriMet has a clear bias towards MAX riders and consistently cuts bus service and it's pretty clear that they have no idea what to do with their bus system. Take line 93, 94, 12, ticket printers and this ticket app for example. I've ridden the bus with Erik many times and I can say for sure that his Twitter complaints hold up. Like him, I got tired from getting the shaft from TriMet and now I drive. TriMet has no one to blame but themselves. And you know what? I'm glad to call Erik my BEST FRIEND. Don't have a nice thing to say to him? Then blow it out your ass.
What are wrong with those? (Yes, I realize TriMet underhandedly took away the often-extra transfer time that riders starting on a bus were getting compared to those using a ticket machine, but that wasn't the printers' fault.)
14 comments:
Those are more like downtown transit mall bus stops
You've been hanging out with Mchuff too much Max!
OK, MAX. I'll give you credit, this is a nice bus stop.
Let's see. According to TriMet there are 6,800 bus stops.
You've identified ONE bus stop.
One, divided by 6,800, is...point zero zero zero something percent.
If I take the 35 "MAX-Style" bus stops on the Transit Mall, we're up to point zero zero five percent of all TriMet bus stops.
YAY!!!!! TriMet has 0.005% of its bus stops that are EQUAL to MAX! We're NUMBER ONE! We're NUMBER ONE! Beat that, Curry Public Transit!!!
Actually on closer inspection I will point out a few flaws:
1. Schedule information is not what is typically found at a Transit Center (the full schedule with a large map). Instead, the abbreviated, worthless, too-small map, is provided and the basic route description that only says the days of service and whether it's "rush hour" or "Frequent Service" with no further information.
2. The bench is outside of the shelter. Seriously???
Of course this doesn't account for my dislike of this shelter, supposedly designed so that it wouldn't block the view of sidewalk businesses on the Transit Mall but not only does it fail at that (and at the bus stops I use, there ARE no sidewalk businesses, but a MAX stop that was located at my old bus stop still has the MUCH LARGER 1990s-era glass shelters that are far more functional), there is absolutely no wind protection so there's no protection against a wind-rain mix (unlike the original 1970s-era shelters) - which, also had much more seating inside the shelter.)
The arrangement of those vertical glass panels takes up way too much space and reduces the amount of people that can stand underneath the glass roof. The point of the shelter is to keep people dry - what good is it when you obstruct the space with worthless...I don't even know what you would call those things. It's not decorative, it's not functional... It looks like there's a whole ONE seat under the shelter, so someone who needs to sit down is stuck in the rain. If you need to look at route information, you have to look at the information board outside of the shelter.
So, yes, I will comment on my dislike of this shelter design. It's not at all functional - just like the ones downtown aren't. The bus platform at 6th and Montgomery (excuse me, MAX platform) is a design that worked well (except for the absolutely stupid positioning of the Transit Tracker sign at the end of the roof rather than within the platform). The angled roof provides some wind protection; there is little within the shelter to obstruct the standing area, and it provides a free view of sidewalk businesses. And it offers the benefit of reduced maintenance expense (unlike the '70s era curved glass roofs) - but those shelters had amenities that weren't replicated, such as the lighted information signs that gave much more information about the Mall and routes than the new signs do.
0) This isn't one bus stop. It's two bus stops that are serve 16 routes.
1) I don't know what you're talking about, there is a display that has real time arrival information.
2) The bench is part of the sidewalk, not the bus stop. There is additional seating under the shelter.
3) And I was right again -- "... and yet, I'm sure he'll still find something to whine about."
Al edited that out from my original post. It amazes me Al that you edit my post which tells the truth (Erik whines), yet you don't edit out the bogus information Erik posts.
I don't recall Erik ever using personal attacks.
"Erik whines" is a personal attack.
Go after the information not the man.
And Erik has tremendous support among bus operators and bus users around here, and that's no lie.
OK would "complain" be a better word than "whine" ?
And what if I said Erik is a "liar"? (liar: a person who tells lies. lie: an intentionally false statement).
Is that better?
Also: Erik has several times in the past lobbed personal attacks against Jason.
"Liar" is a personal attack UNLESS you can prove that he intentionally distorted facts with malice.
I believe Jason started the name calling.
I have never seen Erik use name calling in anything he posts.
That's funny. I recall it was Max whose first words to Erik were a slew of personal attacks and rants the first time they met on the 84 line. What an awesome way to greet someone you meet for the first time.
Maybe, just MAYBE, someone would get a little peeved that the only words and encounters with someone were 100% negative. Just a thought.
As for me, I enjoy much of what Erik says and he is NOT wrong. TriMet has a clear bias towards MAX riders and consistently cuts bus service and it's pretty clear that they have no idea what to do with their bus system. Take line 93, 94, 12, ticket printers and this ticket app for example. I've ridden the bus with Erik many times and I can say for sure that his Twitter complaints hold up. Like him, I got tired from getting the shaft from TriMet and now I drive. TriMet has no one to blame but themselves. And you know what? I'm glad to call Erik my BEST FRIEND. Don't have a nice thing to say to him? Then blow it out your ass.
Maybe, just MAYBE, someone would get a little peeved that the only words and encounters with someone were 100% negative. Just a thought.
Yes, I completely agree. Maybe Erik should learn to say something positive every once in a while.
In this particular case, TriMet gave him what he wanted, and he still found ways to complain about it.
consistently cuts bus service
They have been adding some back.
ticket printers and this ticket app for example
What are wrong with those? (Yes, I realize TriMet underhandedly took away the often-extra transfer time that riders starting on a bus were getting compared to those using a ticket machine, but that wasn't the printers' fault.)
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